The Lord's Prayer in Luke - some notes

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LUKE 11 1 - 4

A few posts back I shared a comparison of the Lord's Prayer in Matthew with the shorter version in Luke's Gospel.

Here are some further study notes on Luke's version.

and he said to them

Hotan proseukheesthe legete  When(ever) you pray say  Verb is Sunjunctive

Pater hagiastheetoo to onoma sou Father let be made holy the name of you

elthetoo hee basileia sou let come the realm of you

Note the 2 Aorist Imperatives

ton arton heemoon ton epiousion didou heemin to kath heemeran

the bread for us the for tomorrow give to/ for  us kata heemeran day by day daily

Do not fret about epiousion being a rare word just break it up into parts look up the parts in a lexicon and look at how they work in the rest of the sentence

let us have a constant supply of essential basic needs does sound better in greek !

kai aphes heemin tas hamartias heemoon  and release us the errors of us

another Aorist Imperative Aphes

kai gar autoi aphiomen panti opheilonti heemin

and for ourselves in regard to selves we release for all debts obligations owed to us

kai mee eisenegkees heema eis peirasmon

and not in carry / lead us into testing / negative experiences

So once again do not worry about minor variations or differences between the passages.

The essential message of both is so similar that the differences do not change the meaning.

Antipaters Muses

#greekpoetry #greekanthology #womenpoets #muses
#Antipater of #Thessalonica wrote a poem that listed the nine women poets he considered to be inspired by the Muses

These are the Nine

and here is the text of Antipater's poem from the Greek Anthology

Antipater of Thessalonika

Greek Anthology 9:26

Τάσδε θεογλώσσους Ἑλικὼν ἔθρεψε γυναῖκας

ὕμνοις, καὶ Μακεδὼν Πιερίας σκόπελος,

Πρήξιλλαν, Μοιρώ, Ἀνύτης, στόμα θῆλυν Ὅμηρον,

Λεσβιάδων Σαπφὼ κόσμον εϋπλοκάμων,

Ἤριννα, Τελέσιλλαν, ἀγακλέα, καὶ σέ, Κόριννα,

θοῦριν Ἀθηναίης ἀσπίδα μελψαμέναν,

Νοσσίδα θηλύγλωσσον, ἰδὲ γλυκυαχέα Μύρτιν,

πάσας ἀενάων ἐργάτιδας σελίδων,

ἐννέα μὲν Μούσας μέγας Οὐρανός, ἐννέα δ᾿αὐτὰς

Γαῖα τέκεν, θνατοῖς ἄφθιτον εὐφροσύναν.

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The TWO Lords Prayers

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Luke has a shorter version of the Lord's prayer from Matthew

Here's a chart which will hopefully make comparing the two versions easier ?

The Lord's Prayer in Koine Greek

Matthew 6 9-13 compared to Luke 11 2 – 4

Matthew 6 part of the Beatitudes	Luke 11
9 Οὕτως οὖν προσεύχεσθε ὑμεῖς	2 ὅταν προσεύχεσθε λέγετε
Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς Ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου	Πάτερ Ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου
10 ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς	ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου
11 τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον	3 τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δίδου ἡμῖν τὸ καθ̓ ἡμέραν
12 καὶ ἄφες καὶ ἡμῖν τὰ ὀφειλήματα ἡμῶν ὡς καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀφήκαμεν τοῖς ὀφειλέταις ἡμῶν	4 καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν καὶ γὰρ αὐτοὶ ἀφίομεν παντὶ ὀφειλοντι ἡμῖν
13 καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῂς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ	καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῂς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν

Questions

Which verb forms are Imperatives?

Note the several forms of ἀφίμι

Consider why this is translated forgive but also means release or let go

Why do you think Luke's version is shorter and uses different or less words?

Why are there both dative and genitive forms?

Think about how the Greek differs from the Latin or KJV or RSV or whatever translation you know?

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GODZILLA and the Divine

#Godzilla and the Divine.

#titans #greekmythology #arkhai #romans838

I had one of those stream of consciousness moments and want to share my chain of thoughts.

The latest Godzilla monster has several concepts drawn from mythology, both Asian and European, as well as from the mythos of previous #Monsterverse movies.

One of these is describing the Monsters as #Titans and ancient gods and depicting them as if they were as much primal forces as biological entities.

The least said about the violations of inverse square laws in relation to mass the better.

I'm looking at the concepts!

Like the Titans and Giants of Hesiod's Theogony they are both forces and beings, ideas of forces in conflict that predate and are more powerful than mere humans.

However like the Titans and Gods they can be both dangerous yet benevolent, worshipped and feared.

Like those Elder Gods they fight younger gods.

Some humans serve them Others guard them Some exploit their powers

We also have giants sleeping below mountains a theme found in several mythologies and the Hollow Earth of connected chambers is also an ancient myth that has spread across Eurasia.

So if you're a #mythology fan there's yet another reason to enjoy the movie.

Titans in action ! Myths embodied !

Maybe Rodan once slept under Krakatoa or Thera or Toba ?

Godzilla and Ghidorah are fortunately fiction though their message of respecting Nature's power is important.

Thinking about primal forces and powers in one of those odd leaps of connection lead me to contemplate another Greek word that might well describe these monsters: ARKHAI

ARKHAI is a odd word found in Romans 8:38 but also secular literature to describe rulers.

I've seen it translated as powers, rulers, demons, authorities, and principalities.

While it can be used to describe human rulers it seems to indicates beings human or not who are both sources and wielders of power. Powers begins and moves from them over lesser beings.
In the verse in Romans it follows the angels suggesting supernatural beings are being referred to, perhaps a reference to the Gnostic belief in evil spirits ruling the mortal world?

Whether Paul was referring to spiritual or human powers over others he ends by stating that nothing in this world can separate us from the love of God.

It could also be argued that Godzilla is an agent of the Divine, a guardian defending humans from Ghidorah, revived from (near) death by the angelic Mothra.

So what can we learn? Not to fear primal forces ?

As Paul puts it not life or death or anything in Creation can stop Love except maybe human lack of faith?

Enjoy Godzilla but read Romans 8:38 too !